Mitsubishi Minicab Miev with the16 kW-h battery, in post office red, bought from GVI in October 2018. Based in Whitby Porirua, used as a daily commute and for the occasional road trip to Otaki or the Wairarapa. Loving it, 2000km on the clock and counting. Also own/ride an electric cargo bike (Yuba Mundo), and my wife Lynn has an e-bike too.

Wallpaper steamer is even faster, I use it to remove normal vinyl signage, but not all oem signage is vinyl. And if it has been there for a while, expect some permanent marking, especially if it is white. Glue residue can be removed with turps, and then a quick wipe with IPA ( not the beer).

Yeah, that is the LX, which is the one I got. I am wondering if it is just the miev van, or just some random fault that some mievs have.

Trying to join, still waiting. Evbatmon is a bit expensive and seems even less likely to work based on reviews on google play store. Thanks for the help though.

I have similar issues with other apps in the miev, but no issues with other apps on other cars, so I am thinking its the vehicle.

On the miev group now, yay!

Porirua (Whitby to be precise). Yep, effectively brand new, we are hoping to get 10 to 15 years out of it!

A lot of those checks are WOF items. Interesting that changing the transmission oil is every two years, does it work harder than normal for some reason I wonder. I would have thought it was just a reduction gear and a differential.

I thoroughly recommend the carnival park camp site at pahiatua, we had an overnight charge there last week, very friendly and easy going about arrival and departure times. 16 amp blue commando sockets.

Good luck pulling them apart, they are really not designed to be easy to get into! I have taken a couple apart out of curiosity, and watched videos of people trying to make their own ebike batteries. It is REALLY hard work.

Evan Ward the awning is relatively close fit, but is 10cms or so longer than the back door. The height to the ground is fine, and the width is OK at the top a d bottom of the door. The awning is a bit heavy for the rams on the van, as it would be for most vans. So we used two adjustable poles in the two back corners of the awning, taking the weight off the door and holding the slightly long awning where it is not supported by the door. Sounds a bit complicated, so I am quite happy for you to come over and see it. We are going away in it this weekend, so unless you fancy following us to Holdsworth campsite, it may have to be next weekend sometime. I will be airing all the gear on Easter Monday, so that might be an opportunity too.

https://www.intenze.co.nz/product/throw-over-rear-van-awning-toyota-hiace-2004-present/

How can you not love a minicab miev!

5 levels of regen? A bit more sophisticated than my van then. :)

We should turn up in "force" at the next EV get together!

You need an OBD2 device, which plugs in under your dashboard. You also need the canion software on you phone (might be android only). Look at the canion website to see the obd2 dongle that might work the best.

Lower down this group is a thread about this subject with a suggestion about an obd2 device that will work. I have one, and it doesn't really work on my miev van. If you are in the wellington area you are welcome to try it.

There was another red one for sale at GVI, maybe Daniel Krivan knows if it is still in the wellington area, that would make 4!

I would not recommend the LX, as it did not work for me. The MX should work better, but I have my doubts, I think the MIEV van, and possibly the iMiev don't like OBD2 dongles. They work, but are a bit flakey.

Never tried it, does Canion recommend it?

Sorry for the delay, this is a bit complex to do on the phone. CanIon is the app you can use to look at the stats from your i-Miev. Citroen Zero or Peugeot Ion. It interrogates the CAN bus, and translates it into a graphical interface on your phone. CAN +Ion (the writers are French - hence the Peugeot name). There are other apps, like EVBattery Monitor, which you have to pay for. Search for CanIon on Google Play, and you will see the app. ELM327 dongles will definitely not work with CanIon, and according to some blogs, won't work with the i_Miev at all as they don't support the correct protocols. The CanIon people recommend a bunch of OBDLink products, the LX which is a basic bluetooth model, the MX which is more expensive bluetooth model, the SX which has to plug into a USB port, and is for the real geeks of the world. In all my attempting to get CanIon to work on on my Miev van, I have never found anyone who has got any dongle to work for more than a few minutes at a time on an i-Miev or a Miev van. They seem to connect to the Can bus, and read happily for a while, then lose and remake the connection repeatedly. Depending on what you want to know and record, this may be OK, but some of the better features of CanIon are the trip logging, battery usage logging all of which require a continuous connection, so I have been very disappointed in my attempts to get it working. Even people who are happy with CanIon in their i_Mievs seem to have problems with connections. Much lower down this page are discussions on the use of EV Battery Monitor, but as you can't even download a trial of this software, I have never bothered to try it, $30 for something that does not work is not my style! Hope that all helps, and maybe others can add there two cents worth on how well it did or didn't work for them.

Google play entry for CanIon https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=emobility.canion

Christopher Nichols I know this was a long time ago. What year is your iMiev? I mat have tracked the issue down to a change in the can bus codes from about 2015, which canion may not cope with, but then the issue seems to affect older cars too!

Thanks, good to know. Time to give up on it I think.

Thinking ahead to my first tyre replacement on my miev van (hopefully not for a for a while)- what size are those wheels you are using, and what tyres do you have on them? They look very nice, but bigger than the originals. Are they low profile?

I have a 2017 van. I see a 2019 model with a 10.5 kWh battery in the list, so both batteries seem to be an option. I looked at buying this way, but it was difficult to match the price and convenience of buying from a reputable dealer in NZ. But I was lucky to get the vehicle I wanted at the time I wanted it. Given the real shortage of i-mievs and minicab mievs here, it may be the way to go.

You are spoilt for choice, Churton Park, Paremata, Raumati, Paraparaumu, Waikanae Beach! We just used 3 of them getting to and from Otaki to buy some Merino underwear(too much detail?).

Did have an issue with it though. Got to 77% charge, and it faulted with a 4022 code. It let me unplug OK, but the charger then was showing a different code on the small led screen. I checked on the charge net app, and I was still showing as connected and active. I managed to stop the connection using the app, which seems to have reset the machine to normal.

Brian Worboys not in the market for fireproof underwear any longer, but I managed to get Nz made which is a bonus. The drive was fun too!

Otaki is just the right distance for "Range Fun" to kick in!

The veefil chargers are 50 kW, and are 25c a kWh, and 25c a minute. Cars other than mievs can charge at a faster rate. The 25kW chargers charge 25c a kW, but only 15c a minute, as most cars charge more slowly on them. As my miev can't use more than 22kW, it takes the same amount of time, but it costs less on the lesser chargers.

Not a problem, it's very light from one extreme to the other, and it's difficult to detect much self centering at any position. Only 10,600kms on the clock though.

That is a useful link, hope we never have to use it though! :)

That "Tesla" button puts you off a little. Both delta wall boxes I have tried say Tesla instead of start.

We have a 2 seater minicab, but what Christopher says above makes a lot of sense. We have considered getting one of the van seat companies (Jacksons or similar) to put a proper seat in, but the cost plus the certification puts us off at the moment.

Yes, apparently the new firmware is not perfect, but it fixed the problems I saw, including the "Tesla" button whic now has no label! I love those long cables too!

Silverstream new world firmware now updated.

I'd love to drive to Cromwell for a get together, I was there a few years ago passing through, and I loved the area. May need to plan a route very carefully and allow for a long trip though!

Oh I do hope it stays on free view, FM reception is so bad here in Whitby!

Thomas Curtis, yes I had a feeling you may have experienced it. That makes me feel better that my diagnoses was spot on when it happened!

Christopher Nichols, yes it does, but it knocks 10kms off my range! I would still be sitting just outside Ward if I used it! I will bear that in mind for next time!

Daniel Jone, I see what Christopher is saying above. I am not sure the van does the air-conditioned through the battery thing while charging, that might be just the Imiev.

Christopher Nichols, yes I see what you are saying. I am not sure the van has that feature.

I have just had the same problem, charging at 50% of normal rate, battery temp about 44. Not sure there is fan on the battery on the van, I have never heard it, just the pump on the cooling system for the controller and charger.

Evan Ward yes, and I don't think any damage was done, I am still getting my normal range. We got down as far as Akaroa, that was just our final day!

Thomas Curtis I don't know if they are linked on the van. They are on some versions of the car, but I can't find any where it says the van is. I suspect that regen is part of the problem, my last occurrence followed a trip over weld pass, where I put many kms back on the RR meter. Let us know if the air-conditioning thing makes a difference.

John Wekking I use obdzero. Not the easiest tool to use, but the only one that works on a 2017 Miev. Canion works on pre 2015 mievs.

And obdzero won't show individual celll temps, just max and min cell temps. No cell voltages either, :(

Evan Ward I just wrote a blog entry for my trip if you are interested. If you were in Waiouru your trip must have been pretty epic too! http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/squirrel-and-our-south-island-camping-road-trip/

Kathleen Hope thanks, we intend to get around as much as we can too!

Mark McCarthy sorry, caught out by autocorrect. https://www.intenze.co.nz/product-category/throw-over-tailgate-and-drive-away-awnings/

Anita Hale have to agree, the quality of the canvas, zips etc is superb, and the workmanship is very good. We have one zip that won't go round a tight corner very easily, but otherwise excellent design.

Mark McCarthy two books on bungees at the top, to hold the weatherproof strip in front of the door down to the roof, and two bungees that I hook into the wheel arches to hold the sides to the van. Works well if you attach them to something solid.

*hooks!

Thinking about it there are two more bungees that go forward at the top, pulling the canvas taut over the door (on a hiace)

If you zoom right in on my photo, you can see the attachment points (or at least the tension caused by them. The solar panel wire confuses the picture a bit! See new photo in another comment.

Close up of attachments for Mark McCarthy

Bulls/Fielding to Mangaweka would worry me more as it is mostly uphill and about the same distance, at least at Waiouru you have the choice of going via Ohakune and National Park if you have reason to be concerned.

Kevin Palmer Q1. 30 to 40 minutes depend on state of charge, whether 80% or 100% charge, battery temp and the type of charger. Q2. Average of $9. Q3. Normal running 80 to 100kms. Q4. Not on this trip at all. A bit lucky there! Charging at home for two EVs is about $10 per week.

I did a blog of the trip, mainly from an EV point of view if you need more info. https://www.facebook.com/103676711183515/posts/141706934047159/

Kevin Palmer answers in post below, driving Facebook is not one of my strengths!

It was the one on the left, the Manaia Native Habitat.

Just had this answered on the Aussie Minicab Miev group page, apparently all Minicab mievs are speed limited to 106kph.

Karin Won yes, I know what you mean, but some days, I put the heater and the air on on, and I drive flat out against the wind or up the hill, knowing I can charge when I get home for just a dollar or two. Life with an EV can be so good at times!

*air con

Karin Won watch out for the disappearing prompt payment discount, that was the deal killer for us.

Here in NZ Mitsubishi have a recycling facility for their Miev and Phev batteries, and I thought I heard that they can rebuild batteries too. Maybe something they do in other countries? I haven't investigated further as my Miev Minicab is a 2017 with only 19000 kms, so not something on my radar yet!

OK, will try to get something on Sunday when it's easier to find an empty car park, and when I can get my better half to assist.

John, hope this is some use. Had to go bathroom shopping yesterday, so had to do it myself this morning. Dave Glover

And another showing starting from rest with wheel turned 90 degrees.

I always thought the self return was light, but I never noticed how it didn't happen in the last 180 degrees, it just feels like it should be like that. The steering is one of the things I like best about the van, light and responsive.

I think I would ask to see the page in the Virm where it mentions a self centering requirement. I have doubts that this is actually a requirement. I will have a look at the online Virm if I can find it.

OK, the Virm says that the vehicle should self center, but not much else. https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof

My van has been like this since I got it with 35kms on the clock. 19000kms now, and went through its first wof at the local Mitsubishi dealer no problems. My local dealer may be more local than yours. :)

Last point. My van is almost always unladen, this means the van is always pitched forward compared to a laden van. Pitching forward reduces the positive caster angle, which reduces the self centering effect. Next time I buy a load of pellets for the fire, I will try to load it up to maximum, which should pitch the van down at the back increase the positive caster, and hence the self centering on the steering. Accelerating hard will also pitch the van back, which may mean it will self center more too.

Will Kirkham feeding the speaker wires through those little concertina tubes is quite tricky, but be patient and they do eventually go through. 😊

Will Kirkham I find if you squeeze the soft plastic part closest to the door at the end furthest from the winder knob as hard as possible and pull, the clip releases.

I did 1033km in the South Island of New Zealand from Picton to Little River, plus two ferry crossings of the Cook Strait, in our Miev Minicab 16KWH. 17 fast charges, 4 camping stops, 12 days. Had a fight with a rogue charger, flattened the 12v battery, and over heated the traction battery charging to 95% 4 times in one day. Happy days.

Luke Brechtelsbauer love that Electra van, my Miev Minicab is just a copy of that! Some great mods there too, to bring it up to date,

Under the seat

Yes, 46 years ago, when I worked for a British Leyland dealer as a sales rep/delivery person, with the whole of North Wales as my area, I came across an old bloke in a workshop somewhere in the middle of Wild Wales who was busy restoring an old Commer lorry. I seem to remember it was 3 cylinders with 6 pistons. He explained it all to me, but at 19 I was probably a bit young to appreciate it!

Maybe the little loud speaker that makes the noise is faulty or disconnected. This forum entry tells you where it is http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1147

We use our Mitsubishi Minicab Miev as a camper, not self contained though. Did Wellington to the Banks Peninsula in February. http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/squirrel-and-our-south-island-camping-road-trip/?fbclid=IwAR1Dz7PtAE7EfCvcE3JlQyDtYPVuCUDQYCLEH2dXuXJkJ_l3sVCjoqx10ZQ

I may have met this couple at the Waikanae charger on Saturday, or someone in an identical blue, 2019 model 3! Fortunately I only had to wait 5 mins or so. They had difficulty unplugging it, and seemed surprised that I hadn't used the other connection, so I assumed they were just new users. Nice people, so I am sure they will learn from their little faux pas!

As an ex-NZ Post delivery agent with over 10,000 kms riding experience of Paxters, this was quite entertaining. However, it is worth noting that the NZ Post paxters are not quite as sophisticated as the one Bjorn test drove! NZ Post paxters do not have central remote locking, and don't have the flash dashboard and phone app. They are limited to 45kph, even downhill (regen kicks in to slow you down if you try to go faster). They don't have the brake foot pedal, just a separate front and rear hand brake lever. They also don't have the automatic parking brake, but have a thumb lock on the rear brake, and a clunky handbrake down behind the riders legs! The charger is wall mounted, not on the vehicle. However, the NZ Post paxters do have the active cooling fan for the motor, and it is well used in the summer, epecially on the hilly rounds in Porirua and Tawa.

Oh, and no heated handle bar grips. Most DAs would give almost anything for them on a wet windy day!

Gill Ashmead Mecoy you can't do it in the app, but you can in the web version. I think you have to log on to use it. Once you have created it in the web version, you can see it in the app.

Gill Ashmead Mecoy Thinking about it again, I don't think you can see a trip in the app, you may need to use the web version on your phone to see it while away from your PC.

At the other end of the scale, I have issues with my Mitsubishi Miev at many chargers. Veefils mostly don't recognise it the first time I plug it in, but do the second time. The Delta chargers wouldn't charge it until the relevant software update was done on the charger, until then it came up as a Tesla on the LED screen, and at Little River the Orion charger tried its very best to blow my battery up charging at much too high a rate, causing a fault in the car. I wonder if they have a set of parameters in the software for each type of car, and those of us with unusual cars (not Leafs or Teslas until recently) are getting a default setting which in some cases is very unsuitable, causing error codes, overcharging and just plain not working.

The Mitsi has a 360v battery, and takes a maximum charge of 22kW on DC, and I have often wondered just how smart the chargers are, especially some of the more basic older ones. You bike is probably a different voltage again.

Sam Baker and there the similarity ends! 😀Other than the fun part, the van is about as much fun as I can handle nowadays!

Jonathan Beaver thanks for that, good to get an idea of what happens. Is some of that protection vehicle dependent though? In the past I have had a couple of Delta chargers updated by Chargenet as I waited, to allow my Miev van to charge after the chargers faulted.

Jonathan Beaver thanks for that, good to know.

Great news for Porirua citizens and delivery drivers who get some valuable parking spaces back. I may actually charge in Porirua occasionally now, rather than hypermiling to Mana New World.

Borrow one and see if it works. Canion does not work on post 2015 iMievs and Miev minicabs, and I have been told that earlier models may also have had their CAN bus upgraded to not work on it either. This is what causes the instability of connection, not the OBDII dongle, which work fine with other software (OBDZero for instance). The issue is that the PIDS (Parameter IDs) for the battery cells were changed, so you cannot see the cell voltages and temperatures, but Canion also throws a wobbly when it cannot find the PIDS it is looking for.

Just to clarify, my objections to this site are the poor physical access i.e. narrow spaces, tree, cable too short, bollards and kerbs in the way. Being a local, finding it is not an issue. 😀

Donald Love it also breaks the pack into two parts(electically) being effectively a bus bar beween two banks of cells.

Michael Rage i don't think its an equal split, but it does seem to serve that purpose as well. The isolation relays do the normal isolation at the 'end' of the battery, so why not reduce the possible voltages. The imiev battery does the same.

Took a trip to the new Porirua Charger, a huge improvement if you drive a leaf. It was iced in the left hand park when I got there, so I could not get the Miev close enough with that space blocked. As with a lot of Veefil chargers, the cables are too short for the MIEV , the plinthis too high to get any closer, the bollards protecting the electric bits are doing what they are supposed to. Large drops behind the kerbs in this case mean I cannot get up onto the kerb without risking beaching the car! So I go in at an angle, put one wheel on the kerb just a centimetre or two from the plinth, and the extra few centimetres mean I can plug it in without straining the cable or the cars socket. Success!

My van at Porirua. And i see two 25kW chargers are going in at Johndonville, and looking forward to Ekatahuna and Carterton. You are very busy.

Gary Sebalja mine is ok, the charger has a bit of a problem though :)

Michael Stevens good thinking. The Miev has needed this done at Delta chargers in the past.

Rob McCaw yes, I would like the speed too, if the van was up to it!

I have been reading sime past posts, and Mievs seem to have difficulty at Vector chargers. I haven't made it to Auckland in the van yet, are or were vector chargers ABB type also? Scrub that just checked plugshare photos, looks like they are.

Graeme Hart and reading past posts, Miev Minicabs don't like ABB chargers. Thank the EV gods for Chargenet and Veefils and Deltas.

John Hornblow or a problem with a short cable either! Life is much easier in my Leaf too, but our Miev van is so much more interesting😊

So with your help and some research, it looks like i have to avoid ABB chargers. When planning long trips, i need to be aware of which are which. Other than looking at the plugshare photos, is there anyway of finding out in advance what type a charger is? Might be doing W'ton Clyde next year, and don't need any surprise gaps in my charging schedule!

Paul Axford until I researched for this thread i had only ever charged at Veefils and Deltas, with two exceptions, Little River and Waipukerau. That covers a lot of country. Looks like my van knows its own limits. Any further in any direction seems to go into ABB country!

Peter Bulmer was it your first charge of the day, or was it already warm? Both my incidents were on 3rd or rth charges of the day.

Sorry, just read your post properly. So not warm before the charge.

Richie Atkinson interesting, wellngton to rolleston, veefil ot delta all the way, Rakaia and Asjburton both ABB, so Rolleston to Temuka 120kms. Timaru and Waimate both veefil, Oamarua and Hampden both ABB. Waimate to Dunedin 157km. Dunedin to Alexandra all Veefil. So 25% are ABB chargers, and two major gaps which would need slow charges to get through. I think your car has a much better range than mine😊

Richie Atkinson nice, if i could get two long tailed cargo bikes in i would ask to borrow it!

Graeme Hart that works in one direction, but Rolleston, Temuka and Waimate are all veefil/delta and belong to line companies. Plugshare pictures are the way to go, just watch out for the odd picture in the wrong place!

Bailey Gorst sorry to hijack your reply, but i am planning my trip to the Central Otago railtrail in February/March. Any chance of a charger at Palmerston by then? ABB chargers and my Miev van don't get on very well together!

Raja Dahya Delta 25kW, as installed at many New World supermarkets, in rhe Wellington region and maybe elsewhere. Usually part of Chargenet network. Look at Paremata or Silverstream New Worlds on plugshare to see photos of examples with their clothes on.

Also at Wellington Zoo.

Raja Dahya yes, 25kW DC, will chsrge my van in 20 to 40 mins

Works the other way too, teslas putting 60kWh in at 50kW on a slower charger. Every site will eventually need two types of charger, one for the Fastards, and one for the hoi polloi😉

Yep, Mitsi Miev Minicab, 16kWh battery. No smelly engine or petrol fumes when parked up😊

Terry Phelvin yes, a little unusual, a bit small for most sane people.

Ann Christie must be the light, both are very bright orange https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=196531618564690&id=103676711183515

Petra Hoggarth but isn't Culverden a great place to charge? That cafe across the road does great coffee!

Matt Williams if those are the short veefil cables i will be parallel parking across two spaces again.

Stuart Greenshields https://www.intenze.co.nz/throw-over-rear-van-awning-toyota-hiace-2004-present/ Despite it being for a hiace, we got it to fit with a couple of tent poles and a bit of ingenuity.

Keith Rutherford we are doing wellington to Otago in it in February to do the rail trail loop. We had a Nissan c20 van while our 3 were growing up, and we did everywhere from KeriKeri to Middlemarch in that😊

Stuart Greenshields perfect!

Paul Axford and it shows elevations!

Ironic that at least one current MINI model is larger than the Austin Maxi, the classic mini's very big brother!

Isn't NOCO2 on an NZ Post Paxter? Might have been written off by now though.

Dave Glover just checked at nz post, it has NIL CO2, not NOCO2.

Electric vehicles are like children, some people are determined that having kids is not going to change their lifestyle, but eventually they sell the boat.

We've used it twice in our van, you need a type 2 cable to whatever your vehicle is. Two chargers, AC only, speed depends on your vehicle, ours only charges at 13 amps! They doesn't get much use according to the staff on the desk. We used them for 3 hours each stop and saw nobody else. Great place to visit though.

Don McCoskrie 2017, I have the orininal photo from plugshare, but can't see the make. There's nothing special about the Miev, if it works on a Leaf, it will work on a Miev. Max 13 amps through the onboard charger at 230v.

Don McCoskrie ok, don't really know what that means, probably best ask an expert, I just charge it with a few different EVSEs and Fast Chargers, and they all work. 😊

Blue commandos at Cheviot Campsite according to plugshare. We were planing to overnight there in february, looks like a good plan now!

Marcus Hawkes Palmerston to Ranfurly is 78km with a 600 hill in the way, total climb will be even more. Doable by the brave and the careful, or with a better car than mine!

David Charlton Palmersto to Ranfurly, 78km with 600+ metres of hill, probably harder than Ward to Kaikoura (82km, negligible climb).

Sean White plugshare gives distances and elevations, and uses google maps for directions. But only the web version, not the phone app.

So why does adding pictures to this album make this post mine? Faceplant never ceases to amaze me! Most of these photos I added of my red van are on Google and Plugshare too.

🤣 Yep

Its a stand for something, perhaps a posh emergency triangle that was never assembled. Those right angled brackets slot into the base, something attaches to the vertical brackets to stand upright. If it is heavy, its a base for something used outside. Not sure about the nylon strap with holes in, maybe for when the triangle is folded, to keep it from flopping around. Geez, I have too much time to spare.

Tristan Cooke its good to see, was i lucky to get the fast charger to myself, or is it just the slow chargers that are busy?

Jonathan Daley just made it to Lawrence with no dramas. It helps that ours is only 2 years old, and the battery has a good SOH. Being able to drive very slowly for long distaces helps!

Yoss Lotz Misubishi Minicab Miev with 16kWh battery. Spacey as in out of this world, or as in roomy? Fits a double matress, or 2 woolsacks of green waste, or two longtail cargo bikes in rhe back (not all at the same time).

Jonathan Daley we travelled south from Timaru at 10.00. And were in Oamaru at 12ish. Cant say i saw any Teslas today, but i was busy enjoying the drive.

Robyn West hopefully i will be doing that section on my electric bike, with a short section by noisy, smelly jet boat.

Andreas Kuhn I built the Yuba to my specs, 300watt bafang motor with throttle, twin batteries, custom front rack, and I love the way it rides, except for the horrible handlebars. The Tern is my wifes, and i ride it rarely. I miss the throttle but the torque sensor almost makes up for it. The 20" wheels are not that different to the 26" on the yuba.

Lucy Elizabeth the Scwalbe Super Moto X 20x2.4 that came with it from new. They are brilliant. The fron still has its snake skin tread, and they are both excellent on the gravel. So good in fact I am using the 26" version on my Yuba.

Mike O'Brien have you figured out your charging stops? We retrofitted a second 400w battery, which gives a huge range, and took a lotof pressure off on the longer legs. Good luck on your trip, i am quite envious, despite sitting here in Middlemarch basking in our success! 😊

Matthew Messina it was amazinv Big Skys, hot days, cool nights

Mark Nolan sorry, didn't think to ask him to prove it, but now you say it, it did sound a bit bogus, #hybridjustification

Michael Cooper it was more to with travelling distances and nor wanting to queue or wait to charge.

Ken Johnson other party was a retired Mckenzie coumtry farmer, driving a diesel motorhome, so he may have been humorimg me abour the van. But he had a crook knee so was interested in the ebikes!

They are some sort of seal, not sure what they are out of, but the Chademo plugs seem to be scrunching them up an extracting them.

Graeme Hart i will check my leaf whenni get home nect week and check if i need them.

Picked up another two today, one at Geraldine and one Rakaia. Maybe its this hot weather here in the south!

Sorry, incorrect link included. Correct link for list of charging stops is http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/rolling-our-way-to-through-and-from-central-otago/

Richard Bosselman from the Disney film 'UP', the dogs that are distracted mid sentence by squirrels. When the van was new and shiny, that is how people reacted when they saw it. And it is small, red and quiet.

Sarah Adams no not yet, really just being trialled in a few areas at the moment. Will get rolled to a lit more places soon, but Paxters, Motorbikes and Walking delivery agents will still be around for sime time.

Andrew Kitchen yep, best we have had in a few decaded!

Donna Smith its at Mitsubishi motors, and is nor for public use as far as i know.

Steve Shea i am, but the better half isn't too pleased with me!

Tikin Wu the Super Moto X appear to be lasting well on the back, so here's hoping.

Denis Schroeter i had continentals on my last ebike. They were good but wore out quickly. They were also expensive here in NZ. I'll try the Schwalbes, see how they go.

Good to see Delivery Agents following health and safety guidelines and taking breaks during delivery. 😊

Thanks everybody, good to get other experiences and guidance.

Mark Walkington didn't see your comment, but even though i added a smiley face, as an ex DA the comment wasn't totally tongue in cheek. Finding time to take a break while delivering mail can be very hard, and siiting in a Paxter on your own for 20 minutes eating a meat pie in a less salubrious area of town is no fun at all. Good on these guys for making the effort. The cricket match in the park is a bonus. I hope their manager sees it this way too.

Mitsubishi Miev Minicab now on 27,500kms. 2 services at $115, and 4 new tyres at 20,000km about $600 (they may be small but they are not cheap!). Had a panic about power usage and wasted $120 getting it checked out. Nissan Leaf, so far I have buffed the water stain out of the front windscreen and replaced all 3 wiper blades, due for a service soon though.

I made my own deck out 1/2" (12mm) marine ply, very carefully measured, made a design in a drawing package, printed a template, cut sanded, drilled an varnished. Looks great, but if you cost out the time the Yuba one is a bargain. Mine has two coffee cup carriers cut into it though!

Slow charging at overnight stops was a major part iof our trip from Wellington to Cromwell and return. Planning in 100% charges before long hilly legs makes them easier and in some cases possible. Its great that campsites etc are really up with the play regarding vehicle charging, we charged 9 times using blue commando sockets on our trip!

I use a mirror on my arm https://www.rviactive.com/collections/rearviz-mirrors

James Graham will do closer to the trip.

Robert Nicholls thats good news, good tip, i would have checked first anyway. I fancy camping in one of these covered sites, so if we get there i may stay overnight too!

Jason Roberts maybe this will explain it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ppv97S3ih14

Nice ideas, i have been looking for ways to extend the stays so j can put my bike on its tail. I might start with a couple of 1" quill adapters with some rubber feet on. Thanks for sharing.

Pete Shaw will be using the full 80mm of the narrower part of the stay, i found some quills exactly the right length. Diameter should be pretty close depending on the quality when they arrive. Thanks again, Dave

Pete Shaw incidentally, my bike is a Mundo V4, and the stays are 22.5 too.

Kerry Dawborn part number 1270.020.072-kbm just bought one for my better halfs gsd, for when we transport ut without batteries.

Kerry Dawborn yes, OP sorry.

Roland Thro i put two cargo bikes into the bsck of my Mitsubishi Minican Miev electric van. Bit of a squeeze, and i use a ramp to get them in. If the Miev is a bit small, look at the Nissan eNV200.

https://www.facebook.com/103676711183515/posts/196531618564690/

Michael Leeper no, 12" wheels, 145r12 tyres all round.

Every cell appears to be 4.09 volts so 88 cells would give you 360 volts, which is bang on if it is fully charged. Look at the screen labelled OBD and you can see the aH value, which gives you an indication of the SOH. 45aH is very good (nearly 100%).

And all the cells are the same voltage, which means no bad cells.

I put a 300w Bafang mid drive on mine, recently added a second battery to get more range. Bike cost NZ$1700, kit cost about the same, extra 17aH battery another NZ$900. Easy to fit, lovely to ride (kit was an NZ Lekkie kit, but just a bsfang with screen printing).

America Glitz Weber my yuba and bafang above has a thumb throttle, great for pulling away from rest

On board charger is only 3.3kW, so 32amp would be a bit of a waste if it was only for this vehicle. How did you go with getting your speedo into mph instead of kph?

I thought my wife took a lot of stuff...

Zapp Brannigan or Schwalbe Super Moto X come in 2.4 in both sizes. I use them on my Mundo and my Tern GSD.

Post 2015 the battery changed, and the PIDS for cell voltages and temps chsmged too. Canion and OBDZero do not recognize the new pids. Have the same problem with my 2017 Miev Minicab.

Ermir Rogova yes, sorry it was actually some time in 2015, exactly when not sure, hence my post 2015 generalization 😊

Ermir Rogova the good news us that it is a much better battery, less degradation, you just cant see how much better on the apps.

Richi Jennings really? I am using version 3.82, do i need to upgrade?

Richi Jennings see the last paragraph on page 6 of the obdzero manual, from obdzero.dk

Richi Jennings thats ok, a wee bit of FOMO there for a moment (Fear Of Missing Out😁)

Ermir Rogova the highest and lowest cell temperatures have been available for a while, high/low voltages could be useful too.

Your car might not be turned on, hence the missing data and default values.

Michael Brook ok, it does help if it is a good unit with canion, because of the way it works. I use an obdlink lx, with the latest firmware. It still disconnects occassionally, but is better than the firmware it came with.

I have a long hasp padlock which I use around the cable, and into the tow hoop /tie down hoop at the front of my van. Means a bit of scrabbling around, and it does depend on having a similar hoop on your car. Just remember to undo the padlock before you unplug the car, you don't want any embarrassing drive offs!

Julian Farquhar Carterton? Charge at Upper Hutt and/or Featherston, no probs. Waikanae - too many chargers to list, including the one at Waikanae Beach. Don't be scared of going places, just plan for it. We did 2,100kms to Cromwell and return in our MIEV Minicab, 4 days each way, 51 charging stops/overnights at campsites. Doing it again in February, Covid pemitting.

Gary Catlin the miev is limited to about 3.3kW, so your 16amp evse will only draw about 13amp on an iMiev. No special wall box required, just a 16amp Blue Commando Caravan Socket, which obviously needs to be installed by a sparky. I use my 16amp evse at campsites, and it means i can add a lot of kms quite quickly.

I have a 2017 minicab miev, 16kWh.

Frank Fontaine not quite, battery has no cooling, so overheats after 4 fast charges. My van will do 80 to 100k depending on how i drive, weather etc.

Nothing for ios, only android.

Frank Fontaine never got close to 40kW charging EVER. 22kW is the best i ever had. I love the way the van drives. Its low geared so its not sluggish up the hills like the car, but its not very fast (100kph absolute max). We have done a 2000km trip in ours, carrying two ebikes and all our camping gear, and it drives like a mini!😍 I prefer it to our Leaf, but I have been driving vans for nearly 50 years!

This is a bit long and drawn out, but this is how we roll in our van! http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/rolling-our-way-to-through-and-from-central-otago/

Frank Fontaine nice and flat, battery under floor, rear seat folds completely flat on 4 seater version too.

Frank Fontaine for what it's worth, they have a 4 star safety rating here, but it is not based on crash testing, but on real life traffic accidents involving these vehicles. As there are not that many of these cars outside Japan, the very small sample size probably inflates the safety record a little. 😊 Not sure if they were ever crash tested.

Here is a blog off our trip through Central Otago, New Zealand, 9 days of which was cycle packing the rail and river trails. There are some quite good photos of my wifes Tern S10 GSD Gen 1 (as well as my Yuba Mundo), mostly fully loaded with camping gear for the 9 days planned trip. http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/rolling-our-way-to-through-and-from-central-otago/ and a sample photo here http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DSCF1834.jpg Photos by Lynn and Dave Glover, help yourselves!

We have done 400kms in Central Otago New Zealand. We both have two batteries, but never really needed them. 40kms per day, charging from Caravan plugs at campsites, and normal mains if we stayed in a cabin. One night camping wild halfway through a 90km leg (mostly downhill). Minimal planning, just hoped for the best each night.

Check your seat mount (under the seat). When mine loosened the seat moved very slightly when i pedalled, and clicked as you describe.

Rachel Cotner mine was in the seat clamp, just a tiny bit loose but the toothed bit was holding it secure, until it didn't 😳

My problem was on my yuba mundo, just checked my wife's Tern, and while the clamp is a bit different, the same principal may apply.

Karin Won the latest version of OBDZero now shows SOH for iMievs, no need to guess any more.😊 With regards charging to 100% at Otaki, its probably cheaper and quicker to charge to 80% then add the 20% somewhere like Mana, it will only take a few minutes, rather than the 20mins it will take going from 80 to 100, and the Itaki charger costs 25c per minute, and mana just 15c a minute. However you do it, its always fun and a little bit of an adventure. I am going to Bluff in my 84% SOH minicab miev in February, which is just 20 or so little adventures each way!

Karin Won Taihape has a charger, so two very short legs to Waiouru, and Ohakune and National park are an alternative to the Desert Road. Taupo to Tokoroa is a bit of an issue though.

I use the web version of plugshare. This allows me to add/subtract chargers, check distances, and there is an elevation option. A big paper map of NZ and a knowledge of your cars performance helps too.

Karin Won its 20 years since i last went that way, but its very up and down, and highway speeds with lots of trucks. Not a good place to hypermile!

Yes it does, but probably not on Apple.

Campsite in Greytown has blue commando sockets and seem welcoming accoring to plugshare. Or there is a type two at Paua World in Carterton, or used to be anyway. Either way its bring your own cable!

Matthew Blair didn't say they were great, just that they are there if useful to anyone reading.

Contact oem audio in Christchurch, they offer very good support for their products. That pin on the right if the photo looks like it is damaged inside. On mine i can see the internal contacts like the one on the left.

Paraparaumu, Shannon, Pahiatua, Dannevirke, Waipukerau avoiding SH2 where possible, but you do need a good co-driver for the detailed navigation through the country roads south of SH2. My van has a range of 80 to 90kms, so gentle route choices for us. 😊 Five recharges might cause overheating in your battery though. 🤔

Sonia Keenan at least we have Pahiatua as a backstop if this one is not available (going north of course).

Daniel Zmood The minicab version haa two airbags and 4 star safety rating. New price $30000

Did the return trip to Days Bay yesterday. Very quiet while docking etc, not so quiet doing 30kph out in the open. We were sirring outside on the top deck though😊

Steven Jones might use it a bit more often in our Leaf, but SH59 is lopking attractive in that too.

Just did Porirua to Paekakariki, lost 13km of range over the motorway. Not quite as bad as I thought, I lose 10km going over the Remutaka Hill, which is higher but slower.

Steven Jones but... Raumati, Paraparaumu! And Paekakariki has been there years, at least 3 that i have been using.

Milika Nederlof that's what started me down this rabbit hole. The world has changed its views on climate quite dramatically in the last 15 years.

Warren Shepherd no it wasn't meant to be, but it may go that way. I have already decided not to use the road, after driving it about the same amount as you did. You make a good point that time is money, which almost certainly justified the building of the road.

Tom GT if people other than ev owners realise how much easier and cheaper it is to use old road, and heavy truck drivers are people too, we could see a migration back to the old road. I hope not, i am looking forward to the cycling too.

Tom GT I would love to see those numbers, My guesses above may be way out, my van is hardly representative of anything. I did the same drive in my leaf, and it was about the same percentage extra. The "time is money" thing is unfortunately the real driver, so even if we are burning an extra couple of tanker loads of petrol a day just because of a route choice, short term it is of little importance.

Graeme Hart now that's a real saving to offset against the costs. Thanks for that, i feel a little better now. I was impressed at how safe i felt driving yesterday, time savings and costs aren't everything.

Donald Love thanks, answers like this have helped my thinking. The safety, resilience and to some extent the time saving are good points. Glad I have an EV, and am rarely in a hurry nowadays.

Thomas Curtis the hills are definitely gentler going north. There is no economical way of leaving McKays or Pauatanui without sitting in the crawler lane and holding the trucks up! My van got up to 110kph down into Pauatahanui going north. I didn't know my speedo went that high!

O L means zero lost frames from the OBD2 device. 18mV is the difference in voltage between the highest cell and the lowest cell.

Matthew Codlin if you touch the screen on the O L it will cycle through a few things which are for diagnosing the tool not your car. One of the is OFF, use that one😉 All information is in the help file.

Matthew Codlin probably why you got little response, nobody has ever seen it before😂

Used plugshare to do an elevation profile, between McKays and Linden there is about 530 metres of climb, more than Kaitoke to Featherston! Not much regen going South either.

Tom GT Regen is the difference, all the really steep climbs are southbound, which are the descents you can get regen on northbound. Of course results will vary between a Tesla and a Mitsubishi Minicab🤣

MOST not all, the climb up from Linden is a killer for me.

You probably already know about https://www.ozelectricvehicles.com/upgrades, a 28kWh upgrade for iMievs and Minicab Mievs in Australia, using new cells the same size as LV50s and LV50NS, but a different chemistry. Early days, but it looks like he is starting to get the batteries plaing nicely with the vans electronics.

A couple of people in https://www.facebook.com/groups/2548475382050546/?ref=share group have had their vans done.

I would probably make my own using the usb socket you have and this stuff, great for repairing and making things. Flexible and shapeable.

The original Genesis trial plan was a bit rubbish, and would have cost me more. I applied for the new one, and was surprised to find it would actually save me money over my current plan (also with Genesis). Basically the rate per kWh during the day stayed the same, and the 9pm to 7am rate is 50%. The daily charge goes up by 6 cents a day to $2.06, but as it is a fixed term plan, I get an extra 3% discount, taking my discounts back to 10%. So if I don't change the way I use electricity, I can see a few dollars saving, if I charge only after 9pm, and use the dishwasher then, I can see I will save a few more dollars. I have 2 EVs, both do 7km per kWh, so with a total mileage of 25,000 kms that's about 4000kWh a year charging, at a saving of 10c per kWh, I will save about $400 per year, less the $18 for the extra daily charges.

$22 pa extra in daily charges☺️

Mark Hutt paxters are just one delivery mode, delivery agents also walk, cycle and use motorcycles. There were some tired posties last night, after delivering using alternative transport (my wife included). Not a big deal in the short term.

Jaycar https://www.jaycar.co.nz/obd-ii-engine-code-reader-with-bluetooth-technology/p/PP2145

When I was that age I used to stand on the bridge in the steam and smoke from the 2-10-0 goods locos on the LNWR line that ran 1/2 mile from my house😍.

We have just had a similar story on the Wellington group, I have driven away from the Pak n Save charger in Porirua because there was a Warehouse branded car on it. I wonder if it is one Warehouse employee driving round the country and charging from almost flat to almost full because he/she thinks it's the right way and knows no different, or if it is part of the Warehouse EV induction training?

Josh Shave here is a link to a picture of a leaf cable seal stuck in a chademo plug which almost extended our drive by a few hours! http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/rolling-our-way-to-through-and-from-central-otago/smart-60/

A 50cent component in the BMS failed, it's a surface mounted schotky diode. All cells are perfect, but unusable as the BMS cannot be sourced for replacement, so battery is a write off. NZ$1000 to replace. Being tied into Bosch is a pain sometimes. I will put the cells into a shark case with a $10 BMS and use it in the bafang system on my Yuba eventually.

Ngo Vandoan here in Wellington we are fortunate to have two local bike shops that sell and service terns, and I would think other centres will have LBS that know Terns too. But in the end it is just a bike, any decent bike mechanic should be able to tackle it.

Andreas Kapunkt I know this was a while ago, but I replaced the handlebars on my Yuba with straighter bars and it transformed it into an excellent ride, I love the bike now.

Irene Whyte mainly the icy bits. Luckily I was in front on my Yuba, and discovered them first :) . There were a few small slips which narrowed the path in places where there was a serious drop off, we got off and walked. Never be scared of getting off and walking a bit, the worst bit was 1.5 kms if narrow path, no problem in the winter, but when the crowds are out in the summer, I wouldn't enjoy meeting someone coming too quick the other way.

Kate Curtis that looks fun. We travel in an electric van, so the west coast is a bit difficult to get to, but we hope to do that one soon.

Irene Whyte my wife has pointed out that parts of the trail are level 3, because of the lack of fence and guard rails on exposed sections, and the narrowness of the trail. There are warnings at both ends if the track about the risks. It's probably worth looking at the reviews etc on the trails Facebook page, particularly if carrying young children.

Antoine Reveau as you have found, over oiling is not good. We did 8 days last summer in a lot of dust, and by the end the drive train needed a bit of a clean. This trip water was more of a problem, but there were no issues. I haven't cleaned the bikes yet, there is a lot of mud caked on the motor on my Yuba, on the chain stays and in the mudguards etc, my wife seems to have kept the Tern a lot cleaner.

Olly Barrett people keep recommending we go to the Nelson area and try the trails there. Sounds like you don't have to go far to have a go!

https://zero.meridianenergy.co.nz/ this link is on plugshare and works

The walk function on my wife's GSD is a little underwhelming, so on our last trip on a 20% slope as rocky and muddier than yours, I ran a strap from the rear if my Yuba to the front of her bike, and the walk function on the Yuba towed her bike up the hill (and helped her a bit too!). Are all GSD walk functions useless, or just ours?

Barb Schwendtner the higher gear thing is correct, but my wife (and I) seem to have trouble with any real hills with it. Always good to have someone to help on the really hard bits.

Dion Ross how does that work? I thought the 50aH cells were replaced with 93aH cells, which would give less than 32kWh, doesn't OZ electric say 29kWh?

Dion Ross so really, it's neither 35kWh or 32kWh.

I was "Warehoused" in Alexandra, Otago. I got to the charger just 3 minutes after the TWG car was plugged in. It charged to max, put 27kWh in, and the last 5 percent took 35 minutes. Not a lot to do but wait 90 minutes for it to finish, then unplug it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZEVOwners/?ref=share

Genesis, 10c night, 20c day, $2.06 a day line fee. EVerywhere add on, 23c kWh at Chargenet chargers.

Groundbreaking stuff, well done. Have you checked with LVVTA regarding certification of the modified battery?

Now that I have the Genesis EVerywhere add on to my EV energy plan, I only pay about 23 cents per kWh while roadside charging, no per minute charges. While owning low range vehicles has never stopped us road tripping (http://signsofsuccess.co.nz/otago-2022-a-winter-roadtrip/) there is one less reason not to now!

John Brader have you paid road user fees on your EV? How and where, really interested in how much it cost you.

Obdzero does soh now, I have tye dongle and software in whitby if it helps.

I just charge in Wellington before I get on the ferry, it's not like crossing the strait on a ferry uses any power.

David Letsche just agreeing with you that it is not a biggie, just a matter of planning your journey.

Roman Francis nope, cheaper for me, both cars, except if I just splash and dash a kWh or two

John Broadchoi Ward is always a nice stop, good basic cafe on site, and if you need to stop for the night a motel across the road.

I have a pair for carrying long liads, and in heavy rain water runs down the straps into the car. Others appear to have the same issue, but it may depend on how good your door seals are

Benjamin Adams yeah, that's what I think too, trips to timber supplies are for nice days only.

Benjamin Adams bad light, it's actually Japanese Post Office red.

Road tripping long distances in a low range car needs determination, a good plan with flexibility and contingency, and a sense of adventure (or a touch of madness)! Keep doing it, our last trip took us to Slope Point with a side trip to Cromwell. 18 days, 2300 kms, 62 charges! You can't buy that sort of fun.

Julian Warmington I don't think Chargenet decide where to put them, they just install and facilitate them. So WCC are responsible for putting two 25kW chargers at the Zoo (thank you WCC) and Foodstuffs for the 50kW at Kilbirnie. They have all been there for a while, so probably don't match the requirements any more. I like Pak'n'Save at Timaru, which has a 50kW and a 25kW, all it needs is an AC charger to be perfect!

I have a 2017 minicab miev, in red, and live in Whitby. I have no problem showing you around it. Range depends on how, when and where you drive it, but I tend to do about 60kms before I put it on charge again. Will PM you my contact details.

Lift up the floor mat at the rear of the van, the 12v battery is under the smaller of the two panels, on the right, closest to the rear door.

and fuses are in the passenger footwell, some more fuses under the drivers seat, windscreen washer water is under the passenger seat, brake fluid is under the panel at the far right hand end of the top of the dashboard. Enjoy your new van! :)There is a user manual around which I use a lot, but it's in Japanese, but the pictures are good.

Alison Haines I would guess Timaru Pak'n'Save, given the proximity of a 25kW to a 50kW and the OP's location in his profile.

These apps will get you started (leaf spy is optional)

Jennifer Dalziel just 8 to date, but I may have missed one! I only really use Chargenet, the others are just in case.

Jennifer Dalziel the last one isn't for charging, it's for my Leaf. Geeks will be geeks.

You have probably seen this, it's a 2012 but if the SOH is good it may be worth looking at http://evcars.co.nz/vehicle/mitsubishi-miev-minicab-rebate-of-3450-to-apply/

Richard James Chamberlain that depends on your on board charger. My cars have 3.3kW chargers, so the EVSE can only use 13 amps from the mains, not 16 amps. So a bit more than 50% but less than double.

Ian George Vaughan great stuff, look forward to seeing you in it around Whitby and Porirua!

Mitsi Minicab Miev.

Great news for Wellington and low rangers!

I was already with Genesis, already had a smart meter, and they did an update either over the air or while I wasn't looking. It took a few days but completely painless and free. I always find it strange how variable people's experiences with Genesis are, I have never felt the need to change supplier in 36 years, and when I have looked into it, there was never any real benefits to be had from changing.

That's pretty determined travelling, great stuff, these vehicles are amazing. I did 2300kms on a winter road trip this year, but I took 18 days and 62 charges over it. My Miev Minicab van has no battery cooling, so I am limited to about 4 big charges a day. Plenty of time to smell the roses!

You have it backwards, Chargenet is not penalising anyone, Genesis is subsiding Genesis customers charging costs to match their home charging rates. Competition in EV charging is fairly new, Genesis sees other energy companies (Z, bp , Meridian) ramping up their efforts, Chargenet sees other players like Jolt, Open Loop, Thundergrid also coming on board. We should expect to see more and better schemes like this in the future.

Mark Walkington yes, but Chargenet are not penalising anyone, they changed their price structure for everyone, including Genesis. Genesis have taken the same hit (on my behalf) that non Genesis customers have.